Timeline for Why is Korean considered a language isolate?
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| Dec 7, 2019 at 12:19 | comment | added | melissa_boiko | There are a lot more linguists who believe in a Korean-Japanese common ancestor relationship than who believe in the full Altaic hypothesis (including Mongolian and Turkish). | |
| Dec 7, 2019 at 8:45 | answer | added | Tszchung Leung | timeline score: -2 | |
| Dec 8, 2016 at 20:45 | comment | added | Midas | @JIXiang Exactly! On less controversial topics they are ok. Especially on more advanced topics where ordinary hobbyists cannot be involved the quality is good. It is mainstream topics that attract people who have other things in mind than keeping an objective POV. | |
| Dec 8, 2016 at 20:11 | vote | accept | Alex Kinman | ||
| Dec 8, 2016 at 19:32 | comment | added | xji | @Midas I find the quality of WP articles on linguistics quite OK, especially on less controversial topics such as transformational grammar etc. The summary was really high-quality. I guess when it comes to a highly subjective issue such as language family classification it's harder to keep it exactly neutral and satisfactory for all sides' tastes then. | |
| Dec 8, 2016 at 19:27 | answer | added | xji | timeline score: 2 | |
| Dec 7, 2016 at 11:47 | comment | added | brass tacks | Oh, I just noticed a related question with a good answer that you should read if you haven't already: Is it accurate - Chinese Wikipedia on Japanese/Korean classification; also see How did Korean become a language isolate? | |
| Dec 7, 2016 at 11:44 | comment | added | Midas | @curiousdannii : It does not require a consensus, but it can neither be a minority view < 40% that justifies an opinion. The problem with the wikipedia article is not just the "widely discredited" phrase but the "aura" the article has as a whole is unbalanced, reflecting obviously the POV of the moderators. It is far from unbiased. | |
| Dec 7, 2016 at 11:23 | comment | added | curiousdannii♦ | It is definitely widely seen as discredited. Widely does not necessarily mean a consensus or even a majority view however... | |
| Dec 7, 2016 at 10:17 | comment | added | Midas | @Anixx Unfortunately this is not an uncommon practice. There has been some really bad/biased moderation there for some time. Bad enough that I have heard scholars talking about it in conferences. | |
| Dec 7, 2016 at 10:09 | comment | added | Anixx | "Altaic (/ælˈteɪ.ᵻk/) is a proposed language family of central Eurasia, now widely seen as discredited." This is simply a lie, or a personal point of view of the author(s) of the Wikipedia's article. In fact, it is not. | |
| Dec 7, 2016 at 9:54 | answer | added | Midas | timeline score: 1 | |
| Dec 7, 2016 at 8:25 | comment | added | Midas | Just a note regarding wikipedia. The wikipedia article seems to be very biased and leaning towards the opposers of the Altaic language family. It says it is discredited and gives a feeling that nobody believes in it anymore. In reality there are quite many major publications (e.g an Altaic Etymological dictionary from Brill) out there. It is not uncommon that Wiki-articles do not coincide with the cocensus or that the information is outdated. | |
| Dec 6, 2016 at 20:52 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackLinguist/status/806239904317472768 | ||
| Dec 6, 2016 at 11:05 | comment | added | fdb | Japanese and Korean both have lots and lots of loanwords from Chinese. | |
| Dec 6, 2016 at 4:23 | comment | added | jlawler | They appear to form at least a Sprachbund, but any "genetic" relation must predate the bounds of the comparative method, which is about 6-8000 years. | |
| Dec 5, 2016 at 23:01 | comment | added | user6726 | I would credit the areal influences that sumelic mentions, and even include simple coincidence. Areal influence is particularly strong in phonetics. Khakas and Tuvan sound a lot like Mongolian, Korean and Chukchi, not like Turkish, but they are in fact fairly closely related to Turkish, and not related to these other languages. | |
| Dec 5, 2016 at 21:45 | answer | added | brass tacks | timeline score: 21 | |
| Dec 5, 2016 at 21:19 | review | First posts | |||
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| Dec 5, 2016 at 21:15 | history | asked | Alex Kinman | CC BY-SA 3.0 |