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| Mar 18, 2017 at 4:00 | comment | added | WavesWashSands | @jlawler I definitely agree with that. BTW, could you suggest any good references for the Austronesian voice system? I've been wanting to get into Austronesian syntax for a while. Thanks! | |
| Mar 17, 2017 at 20:53 | comment | added | jlawler | Like phonemes and syntactic rules, grammatical relations are unique to each language, once you look at enough of the details. There are a lot of contributing phenomena. For Austronesian languages, the reason for the odd GRs is that relative clauses are constrained very tightly, so there have to be a lot of ways for a given NP to be made some kind of subject so that relativization can work. This leads to multiple phenomena that get labelled "passive"; in Malagasy Keenan found seven different kinds, iirc. | |
| Mar 17, 2017 at 20:25 | comment | added | WavesWashSands | @jlawler Sorry if I was unclear - to clarify, I was just citing the opinions of certain linguists holding the opinion that Acehnese lacks GRs (Van Valin and LaPolla 1997:255-261; they cited Durie's grammar there). I'm aware that you're an expert on the language, have authored several classic papers on it, and did identify GRs there (though you rejected the notion that the usual subject exists in Acehnese - which still means the answer to the question is negative)! | |
| Mar 17, 2017 at 19:49 | comment | added | jlawler | Acehnese doesn't lack GRs; it simply uses a different set. Indonesian languages generally have neither an accusative ("subject/object") nor ergative ("agent/patient") GR system; in Ac, they use three GRs instead of two: Transitive Subject, Intransitive Subject, Direct Object. | |
| Mar 17, 2017 at 19:29 | comment | added | Abdul Al Hazred | Wonderful clarification | |
| Mar 17, 2017 at 19:24 | vote | accept | Abdul Al Hazred | ||
| Mar 17, 2017 at 19:21 | history | answered | WavesWashSands | CC BY-SA 3.0 |