Timeline for Is DŽ actually ĎŽ?
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| Dec 10, 2023 at 0:43 | comment | added | Detheroc | @Arfrever Yes, since it's just the voiceless equivalent, everything I stated can be applied to Č, which means that I would argue that Č is actually ŤŠ and not TŠ. | |
| Dec 10, 2023 at 0:17 | comment | added | Arfrever | @Detheroc Do you hear difference between Czech <tš> /tʃ/ (cluster of 2 consonants) and <č> /t͡ʃ/ (single affricate consonant)? Spelling of English borrowings with <dž> is unfortunately confusing, since it looks orthographically like voiced equivalent of <tš>, i.e. /dʒ/, but relevant words in English have voiced equivalent of Czech <č>, i.e. /d͡ʒ/. | |
| Dec 9, 2023 at 22:15 | comment | added | Detheroc | @Tristan So far, your comment was the most convincing for me. I didn't realize there were different ways to pronounce D and you are right that if I do that with my tongue further back, I can now see how it could be considered part of /d͡ʒ/. So if you want to make that into an answer I will accept it. I still think that ďž might better convey the pronunciation for languages that have ď but now I admit the possibility that it just sounds similar rather than being the way it's actually pronounced. | |
| Dec 9, 2023 at 21:44 | comment | added | Detheroc | @Pilcrow Yes, it does sound similar to ň and therefore many Czech people (including my English teachers) just assume it's there without thinking about it, but I can hear the difference very clearly. | |
| Dec 8, 2023 at 23:58 | answer | added | user43244 | timeline score: -1 | |
| Dec 8, 2023 at 23:11 | comment | added | Pilcrow | This is basically the same issue as the pronunciation of "new". Czech speakers might swear up and down that it begins with a "ň" / ɲ, and English speakers might swear up and down that it begins with an ordinary n. | |
| Dec 8, 2023 at 22:10 | history | became hot network question | |||
| Dec 8, 2023 at 22:02 | comment | added | Adam Bittlingmayer | @OmarandLorraine German as well, dsch. | |
| Dec 8, 2023 at 20:31 | answer | added | drammock | timeline score: 3 | |
| Dec 8, 2023 at 16:38 | comment | added | Tristan | @Detheroc [d] can refer to multiple things depending on how narrow the transcription is. I'm not sure, but many languages (including some people's Czech), have dentialveolar, or even purely dental d, whereas this is quite unusual in English, which tends to be true alveolar d. So what may be transcribed [d] in English need not be identical to the sound transcribed [d] in Czech | |
| Dec 8, 2023 at 16:32 | comment | added | Detheroc | @GrahamH. It sure doesn't begin with a D either. | |
| Dec 8, 2023 at 16:18 | answer | added | user6726 | timeline score: 4 | |
| Dec 8, 2023 at 14:35 | comment | added | Omar and Lorraine | I just felt the need to point out that jeans in Russian is джинсы; and д corresponds exactly to Czech d, and ж corresponds exactly to Czech ž. What's more, Lithuanian, Yiddish, Kazakh etc. etc. all do something very similar to transcribe this sound. | |
| Dec 8, 2023 at 14:18 | comment | added | Graham H. | The English post-alveolar affricate definitely does not begin with a palatal plosive. | |
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| S Dec 8, 2023 at 14:09 | history | asked | Detheroc | CC BY-SA 4.0 |