I translated "How to use Web?" into some other language using machine translation, but after I translated the result back into English, it is not the same as the first text I put into the translator.
Why did that happen?
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24This is not just a machine translation issue, it is fundamentally a translation issue. Try your example sentence and some a little longer than that with a double blind test and two friends who can translate. Have one translate the sentence, then have the other one translate it back without having heard what they started with. For all but the most basic expressions you'll run into similar non-matching results. How different they are will depend on the language pair and how much context the translator is given to work with.– CalebCommented Jan 9, 2018 at 12:50
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7Some insight on how Google Translate works in the past: What is Google Translate good for? on Latin.SE.– Andrew T.Commented Jan 9, 2018 at 13:55
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11Not a significant part of the answer but "How to use web" isn't quite grammatical, so you wouldn't expect it to be translated back exactly. But even "How to use the web" would probably get changed, so this doesn't really affect the question.– David RicherbyCommented Jan 9, 2018 at 13:59
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3translationparty.com– Phil FrostCommented Jan 9, 2018 at 15:07
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3Please stop making inconsequential edits to this question.– curiousdannii ♦Commented Jan 21, 2019 at 22:42
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There is no one-to-one correspondence between languages and their vocabularies. This means it is impossible for a computer translator to be invertible. The translator's task going from language A to B is fundamentally different from going from language B to A.
To understand this, consider the French word "allumette", which in English is "match", that is, the short piece of wood that can be used to start a fire. A computer translator could easily translate "allumette" into the English word "match". There really is no other way to translate it (though I may be unaware of some idiomatic uses that should be translated another way). But it's not so easy in the other direction.
That's because the English word "match" has many meanings - it also can mean a soccer match ("le match" in French) or it can be a verb, which may be translated as "associer", "assortir", or other verbs. So whereas the translation from French "allumette" to English gave only one choice to the translator - "match", the translation of English "match" to French gives the translators many choices. And they may not get it right.
For example, "I lit the match" translates into French "J'ai allumé le match". Here, the incorrect word "match" (e.g. soccer match) was chosen instead of "allumette".
Even if the translator were perfect, it couldn't even deal with this perfectly - in the sentence "I saw the match", does match refer to a sports contest or something to start a fire? Both could be correct, and without context even a good human translator could only guess.
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3While that's accurate, the question is specifically about Google Translate. I think a description of the neural networks behind it would be more relevant... Commented Jan 9, 2018 at 8:48
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44@WavesWashSands Why would that be more relevant? OP saw something they didn't understand, and wants to know why it happens. This would happen regardless of which technologies Google Translate used, because it's a fundamental issue in translation. It's not something that happens because they use neural nets.– Chris HCommented Jan 9, 2018 at 13:03
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8Google Translate can get the right translation of some words by the context: "Ela comeu uma manga" translates corretly to "She ate a mango" and "A camisa tem mangas vermelhas." to "The shirt has red sleeves". Also seems (I don't know French) that "I will lit a match to start the fire." translates correctly. Maybe their neural nets try to find the right translation of words with multiple meanings by checking context (like using "allumette" if there's "fire", "burn" or "stove" near to "match"). Commented Jan 9, 2018 at 14:25
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8It seems to be a common belief that people correcting bad results in Google Translation is a major source of improvement, but (apart from maybe a small subset) it's not likely. (1) Anonymous people on the net are really unreliable and make mistakes all the time. (2) How are you going to generalize? Google obviously doesn't have a gigantic table of every sentences and how people corrected them. If the underlying system can tell the contexts for "mangoes" and "red" apart, it's already pretty close to being correct without users' help.– jickCommented Jan 9, 2018 at 19:05
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10@zixuan, there appears to be a total and complete linguistic breakdown in your comment. Which is ironic. I have no idea what you meant and no one else can do more than guess, either.– WildcardCommented Jan 10, 2018 at 6:14
There is no one-to-one correspondence between languages and their vocabularies. It is fundamentally different from translating A to B and translating B to A in any machine translation software.
For example, when I translate "What is the nearby station?" into Chinese with Google Translate, Google Translate translates this sentence to "什么是附近的车站？" and when I translate back, Google Translate translates "什么是附近的车站？" to "What is a nearby station?" instead of "What is the nearby station?".
That's because the word "是" has many different meanings in Chinese. It could mean "a (一个 in Chinese)" or "the (该 in Chinese)", so both meanings are ok.
The wrong word when I translate back to English is "a". The correct word should be "the" and that's because the word "是" has many different meanings in Chinese, based on the second sentence of this answer.
The correct translation should be "什么是该附近的车站？", and this would translate to "What is the nearby station?". Google Translate translates "What is the nearby station?" to "什么是附近的车站？" instead of "什么是该附近的车站？". It didn't clarify the word "是" by adding "该" to the front of "是". You need to clarify the word "是" and this is because this word in Chinese has many different meanings, based on my second sentence.
By adding "该" to the front of "是", this would clarify the sentence "什么是附近的车站？", because the word "是" has many different meanings in Chinese, based on my fourth sentence at the end and my second sentence. Google Translate doesn't add "该" to the front of "是", and this is why it is not the same as the first time you translate it. If Google Translate adds "该" to the front of "是", it would be same as the first time you translate it.
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worse things happen when translating from languages with not only definite and indefinite articles but also gender like German or Spanish, then some gender information will be lost translationdirectory.com/article528.htm fastcompany.com/3010223/… Commented Jun 16, 2018 at 15:23
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Are there sentences in languages which use grammatical gender that lose meaning when translated into English? Commented Jun 16, 2018 at 15:23
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I'm specifically addressing the "a" and "the" case above Commented Jun 16, 2018 at 15:27
If we just restrict considering to the vocabulary, the cause of the discrepancy between the source and the source translated to a target then bak to the source is from two three things:
- words have many meanings.
- even if context could choose the correct meaning out of many, enough context isn't always specified in the source.
From the first problem, it's easy to see that on the translation from source to target, there are many possibilities, but then from those many possibilities back to the source language, there are that many more possibilities increasing the likelihood of missing the original. The second problem prevent limiting the possibilities to one in each translation.
If we include now add syntax to the context, it may reduce the possibilities, but in some sense a syntactic pattern (like an implication or tense/aspect) in one language doesn't always translate exactly to that in another, so it is almost like a polysemic vacabulry item itself.
