Is there is a way to differentiate between [s] and [ʪ] using spectral analysis (Pratt or spectrum view or any other software)? Is there is any particular pattern that only appears with the [ʪ]?

[ʪ] could be found in the extIPA Wiki link Thanks

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    Please don't put phonetic things in slashes, those are for phonemes. Also your two S's are the same, so don't do that either, you need to use different symbols. – curiousdannii Apr 6 '20 at 11:08
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    Maybe [s] and [ʪ] are meant here. – melissa_boiko Apr 6 '20 at 13:52
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    Are you asking about linguistic phonetic differences between languages (which is linguistics), or about disordered speech in English and the ocurrence of [ʪ] for [s] in the performance of some individuals – which is in the domain of speech pathology, not linguistics. – user6726 Apr 6 '20 at 16:58
  • Yes, I am talking about the performance of some individuals. – Kernel Apr 6 '20 at 19:08

You will probably have to dig elsewhere to find actual data on lateral lisps. One large caveat is that you can't compare children and adults, and the data on characteristic properties of phonemes will come from adults whereas lateral list is a condition to be eradicated with young children. You can however read this paper, which compares acoustic properties of numerous fricatives in numerous languages, especially ones that have both [s] and [ɬ]. That paper gives measurments on [s] vs. [ɬ] in Aleut, Apache, Chickasaw, Hupa, Montana Salish and Toda (and other fricatives). They measure duration, center of gravity, and overall spectral shape, generally finding that duration isn't a good predictor of the differences although there are quirks such as that [ɬ] was the longest fricative among female speakers of Western Apache. On the other hand, gravity center frequency does differentiate fricatives, so that [s] has thehighest gravity center. They do note that this difference between [s] and [ɬ] in Montana Salish is not statistically significant, suggesting that [ɬ] in Montana Salish is not "typical". I haven't heard MS, but I judge the [s,ɬ] contrast in Lushootseed (Salish), various southern Bantu languages, and Welsh to be comparable. The spectral properties measurement is less informative, but doesn't contradict the high-frequency property of [s] – it does indicate that the high frequency spectral peaks of [ɬ] are weaker.


I do not know any speech pathology. Judging from descriptions online, it seems like a lateral lisp [ʪ] is a production of /s/ with lateral airflow, which would make it a lot similar to the /ɬ/ phoneme from e.g. Welsh.

I can't be sure I can produce a good lateral lisp, but I can produce the lateral airflow of [ɬ]:

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This is me producing a good grooved [s], then [ɬ], then again [s]. The most noticeable thing for me is that the turbulence of [s] has a lot more overall energy, both on its dominant area (around 7kHz in my production) and on higher frequencies. This is consistent with the lateral sound feeling "mushier" and its airflow being less concentrated. The spreadness of the lateral also makes it busier in the lower frequencies. The high frequencies seem especially weak – they're there, but in this particular sample almost didn't show up.

(I don't know how generally does this apply.)

  • So drop in the frequency have to occur with the sound. I not sure if [ʪ] is well produced here [ʪ] teaching.ncl.ac.uk/ipa/consonants-extra.html – Kernel Apr 6 '20 at 19:18
  • with some sort of hearing loss, the spectrogram might be the only way to distinguish between those sounds. – Kernel Apr 6 '20 at 19:21

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