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I was just looking at the words for "ball" in many languages.

I noticed that Armenian has a word գունդ gund and Hindustani has a word गेंद / گیند gẽnd.

I didn't spot any other language with a similar word, including Greek and Persian. The etymology of the latter word is given as Sanskrit गिन्दुक ginduka.

I realize the rate of coincidence is high in such short words and that the languages have other words in the semantic area of "orb", "sphere", etc. But the fact that they're both Indo-European and the lack of other languages with similar words made me wonder.

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    By the way, Sanskrit and Armenian have over 5000 root-words, not just words! And Armenian alphabet has natural root, do u think that the Armenians have one of the oldest alphabet but no language, u're wrong, it's older than sanskrit itself narinnamkn.wordpress.com/2014/08/15/… – user5498 Nov 12 '14 at 15:03
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    For all it's worth, 'gund' means more like 'lump' in Armenian. 'Ball', as in 'playing ball' is 'gndak'. – img Dec 29 '17 at 0:28
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Hindi gẽd does indeed descend from Skt. genduka-. The latter is considered to be a loan from Dravidian (see Turner 4248). Armenian gund is a borrowing from Parthian or Persian gund < Iranian *gṛnda-. In Middle and New Persian gund is attested only in the meaning ‘testicle’. So the answer to your question is that they are probably not related.

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    Now you made me wonder if "gonad" is related! – hippietrail Jun 16 '14 at 22:27
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    “gonad” is a modern scientific coinage (first attestation in the OED is from 1880), formed from Greek γονή, γόνος ‘generation’, which belongs with the IE “genus, kin” etc. family. So not related. – fdb Jun 16 '14 at 22:35
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    Interestingly, English Wiktionary now says that Old Armenian got the word from a Middle Persian word for testicle. – hippietrail Sep 8 '16 at 3:51
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Highly unlikely. Where PIE /*g *gw/ had shifted to /g/ in Sanskrit, they had shifted to /k/ in Armenian. Also, Armenian /u/ comes from PIE /*ō *u *uH/, so the vowels don't line up. It might, on the other hand, be a borrowing from an Iranian language into Armenian, but they are not native cognates.

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    The Etymological Dictionary of the Armenian Inherited Lexicon by Martirosyan has 961 entries. – fdb Jun 16 '14 at 22:21
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    @ColinFine: Oh - inherited from PIE? So the majority of the Armenian lexicon has been innovated or borrowed? – hippietrail Jun 18 '14 at 4:03
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    Yes. That is why it took so long for Armenian to be recognised as IE. – Colin Fine Jun 18 '14 at 8:20
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    I do not think that anyone ever doubted that Armenian is Indo-European. The mistake of the first Indo-Europeanists was that they thought that it belonged to the Iranian branch of Indo-European. It was Hübschmann who first established that Armenian is a separate branch of IE with many Iranian loanwords. – fdb Jun 18 '14 at 11:58
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    @Narine_Makyan Do you have any references to support this? – robert Nov 12 '14 at 15:23
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Another language with a similar word is Hungarian, my native language. The word is "gömb" ("ö" is pronounced roughly similar to the "e" in "the") and it means sphere. It, too, is similar to the first half of the Armenian word գմբեթ (gmbeth) which has a somewhat similar meaning (dome). BTW, there are surprisingly many similarities (stronger ones than the two I just mentioned) between Armenian and Hungarian language the reason of which I don't know...

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    Yes Armenian and Hungarian are both fascinating languages of peoples whose histories are full of amazing adventures. – hippietrail Sep 8 '16 at 3:43
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I am pretty sure that Hindi gẽd descending from Skt. genduka- has a common origin with Parthian or Persian gund (avest. gunda "ball of dough", pers. gondeh "a lump of dough") which has been borrowed in Armenian in the forme of gunt and gentak "ball" In my opinion, the phonological and semantic similarities are strong enough to rule out the alleged dravidian origin of Skt. genduka-

Here are the references : EDP 146, POK 394, HRN 209 See : https://archive.org/stream/AnEtymologicalDictionaryOfPersianEnglishAndOtherIndo-europeanLanguages/EtymologicalDictionary-persian-english#page/n11/mode/1up

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    Skt. genduka- cannot derive from *gṛnda-. – fdb Jun 10 '16 at 13:59
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I don't know how this is possible, but Kannada has the same word "gundu"... I came across another word that is very similar. "Yeradu" in Kannada means two, and I learnt it is "Yeraku" in Armenian. I don't believe in the language family classification anymore. There are also many things in common between Sanskrit(Indo-European) and Kannada(Dravidian). There is, in fact, a book in Kannada that debunks the language theory formulated. I wish I remembered its name exactly. Maybe this leads to some ground-breaking discovery.

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    This could be a comment, if there weren't so many maybe's and forgotten things in it, but it is not sufficient as an answer. – jk - Reinstate Monica Oct 29 '18 at 21:59
  • Kannada has borrowed lots of words from Sanskrit, just the way it is borrowing words from English now. Trying to figure out the evolution of language families involves a lot multi-disciplinary effort, and can't be "debunked" on the basis of a handful of false cognates. – prash Oct 30 '18 at 18:47
  • note, false cognate here means borrowing. – vectory Nov 4 '19 at 5:55

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