Timeline for What is the difference between voiced and voiceless stop consonants?
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| Dec 29, 2013 at 17:10 | comment | added | Joe Pineda | The ancient Indin grammarians, though, were consistent in clasifying them with the unaspirated sound, so clearly in their minds they were indeed analyzed as a voiced+aspiration | |
| Dec 29, 2013 at 17:08 | comment | added | Joe Pineda | Sanskrit's aspirated "d" sounds very much like English "th" in "thin" to me, and its aspirated "g" like a French "r". Since the language's dead, no way to really know how they sounded, though... | |
| Feb 20, 2012 at 13:44 | comment | added | hippietrail |
@dainichi: Good point. I don't know if +voiced +aspirated is possible. Time to read up on that ... OK Wikipedia seems to agree: The word 'aspiration' and the aspiration diacritic are sometimes used with voiced plosives, such as ⟨dʰ⟩. However, such voiced aspiration, also known as breathy voice or murmur, is less ambiguously transcribed with dedicated diacritics, as ⟨d̤⟩ or ⟨dʱ⟩.
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| Feb 20, 2012 at 4:22 | comment | added | dainichi | @hippietrail, I don't understand how voiced aspirated consonants are possible. Voiced aspiration to me is a vowel. For consonants, voicing/aspiration to me seems to be connected to the voice onset. If onset is as the consonant starts, it's voiced, if it's as the consonant stops, it's uncoiced and unaspirated, if it's after the consonant stops, it's unvoiced and aspirated... As for the Hindi breathy voice, it seems to have more to do with the type of voicing. | |
| Sep 14, 2011 at 1:19 | comment | added | Alek Storm | @Steven Xu: It's perfectly possible to analyze it that way, but the real question is whether the four types of phonation are represented in the mind of the speaker as [±voiced] and [±aspirated], or [±voiced], [breathy], [tenuis], and [aspirated]. The only way to prove this is by demonstrating a phonological alternation. | |
| Sep 14, 2011 at 1:09 | comment | added | Steven | @Alek Storm: by some analyses, Hindi has all four: voiceless aspirated, voiceless unaspirated, voiced aspirated, and voiceless unaspirated. | |
| Sep 14, 2011 at 0:22 | comment | added | Alek Storm | Besides their common aerodynamic component, I would think you'd need an example of a phonological alternation selecting both voiced and voiceless [±aspirated] to convincingly label it a feature. | |
| Sep 13, 2011 at 23:58 | comment | added | Steven | @hippietrail: To the extent that it is useful to pick from the acoustic signal voicing and aspiration "features", you may be right about them operating independently given the case of the breathy voiced stops (e.g., in Hindi). | |
| Sep 13, 2011 at 23:32 | comment | added | hippietrail | I believe there are languages where voicing and aspiration are on separate axes. I am pretty sure some languages have three series of stops varying by aspiration and voicing, but I don't know if there are any which have four full series to distinguish all four possible combinations of +/- voice and +/- aspiration. | |
| Sep 13, 2011 at 21:44 | history | answered | Marc Schulder | CC BY-SA 3.0 |