Given that Piraha (and Warlpiri) do not allow embedded clauses, and Piraha does not allow recursion at all, clause embedding is not universal to all languages. It is reasonable to suppose that it does not appear in full blown formI edited this question in preresponse to Karlsson's paper, "Constraints on Multiple Center-literate societies. So unlimited embeddingEmbedding of clauses is something that post-dates writing and evolved along with it. This whole question presupposes this thesis.
To support this, I will give the evidenceClauses" (Journal of the Hebrew bibleLinguistics 43 (since the only ancient language I can read is Hebrew2). From reading a few books of the old testament, and translating them to English2007, I can attest that the grammatical complexity of the old testament does not give any clear evidence of a grammar which allows Charles Dickens or Henry James recursive styles. The oldest parts never go more than one embedded clause deep365-392), and there are grammar errors which suggest that the authors had a problem with complex sentenceslinked here: http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~fkarlsso/ceb5.pdf .
(EDIT: I was told by a classicist that this is not so pronounced in ancient greek and latin. A classics student I asked told me that Homer's work is recursive, although not as complex as later writing. He claimed that the later latin writers, he named Cicero and Thucidedes, are about equally recursive as Shakespeare and Dickens. This was interesting, because their recursive sentences occur in heavily cased languages, in ancient times.)
Context
I amGiven that Piraha (and Warlpiri) do not asking about thisallow embedded clauses, I just ask youand Piraha does not allow recursion at all, clause embedding is not universal to accept this hypothesis for the sake of making sense of this questionall languages. Assuming that grammaticalAs Karlsson persuasively argues, full blown recursion evolveddeveloped in the historical period. I will assume this here, one can ask: what effects did the introduction of recursive grammar have?and I will not repeat Karlsson's arguments.
I believe that the major effect ofIn the introduction of recursionHebrew bible, there is to disfavor the complex case systems typical of ancient andno more than one embedded clause in any given sentence, consistent with Karlsson's bound for pre-literate languagessocieties, in favor of using separate words like "to" and "of". While it is easy enough to add a case marker tothere are grammar errors which suggest that the authors had a stand-alone word, like houseproblem with complex sentences. As Karlsson explains, so as to say "I walked houseGreek and Latin writers developed full blown center-ward" (in an approximation to a case in English), this construction does not work when you replace "house" by "place where my mother in law was born". You can say "I walked torecursion explicitly somewhere around the place where my mother in law was born"1st and 2nd centuries BC, but you can't say "I walked (place where my motherand there is no evidence that recursion existed before then in law was born)-ward".any form
Cases and clause recursion don't play well, for the same reason that free word order and recursion don't play well. If you can rearrange the words in a sentence, you can't make clauses nest, because you just can't rearrange words outside of clause boundaries without wrecking the embedded clause boundaries, and you need clear start and end markers for clauses, which are not provided without the appropriate stand-alone function words "to","in", "of", "which","that", and so on.
Hypothesis
This hypothesis makes the following predictionsAs recursive embedding becomes common, and these are the questions I have:it is possible that speakers prefer constructions which allow embedded clauses to take on different roles with no internal modifications. If you say
- Cases should be most diverse and pronounced in non-embedding languages, like Piraha. This is true of Piraha. Is it true of other non-embedding languages?
- Languages that embed early in history should shed their cases gradually, as embedding takes over. This means that the most cased languages today should have a recent writing system, and the least cased languages should have an ancient writing system. For Russian and English, this works. Are there counterexamples?
- Cases should be gradually more disfavored with time, as speakers internalize embedding, replacing the case markers with the function words. Modern Hebrew is a stunning example: in the Bible, you would alwayssay "Halachti le-beyto" to mean "I went to his house", using a possessive marker on the word "bayit" (house). But modern Hebrew speaker will always say "Halachti la-bayit shelo", "I went to the house of him", precisely because the word "shel" can be used to embed, as in "Halachti la-bayit shel haI walked home-ach hagadol sheli" "I went to the house of my big brother". The Bible doesn't embed very much. Are there opposite events where the case system was strengthened? Perhaps after a loss of literacy?ward quickly
The mainstream view of linguists is that case-shedding is a kind-of degenration of language with time, and that it occurs as speakers lose the quality of excellence of the early language. You hear this piffle from classicists when they discuss the Latin case system. I am saying thatyou try to modify home to the cases disappear becauseembedded noun-phrase "the wide-open field where John slaughtered the language is developing recursiongoat", not because the speakers are getting dumber. They are getting smarter.you say
- Is there any recursion in ancient latin? How many levels deep? How does it work?
- Is there any evidence for this degenration idea?I walked wide-open field-ward where John slaughtered the goat
(EDIT: It seems that the answer for ancient Latin is that the recursion is as developed as in modern languages.)
I am sorry for not separating the questions, but they are all about the same thing, and feel free to answer only one, any insight is welcome. I am not sure if it is in the linguistics literature, or if it is original to me. I think this idea is original, but please disabuse me of this belief if I am wrong.
EDIT: In response to comments
I got a downvote and weird comments, so I would like to make the hypothesis clearer. Consider the Hebrew sentence "and he walked to Shechem". In the Bible, it is "Ve-Halach Shchem-a" (and-(walked-he) Shechem-ward). In modern Hebrew, nobody would use this expression. They say "Ve-Halach le-Shchem" (and-(walked-he) to-Shechem).
What happened? The post-modifier "a" attaching to Shechem is replaced by a pre-modifier. Why does it happen? I know why--- because if you wanted to say "And he walked to the large mountain by the sea", you would say "Ve-halach la-har hagadol leyad ha-yam" (And-walked-he to-the-mountain the-big by the-sea). You could not say "Ve halach har-a hagadol leyad ha-yam", using the post modifier, without cluttering up the clause "har hagadol leyad ha-yam" with an extra syllable in the middle. By the way, if the Bible ever said such embedded things, it would say it this way:
"Vehalach har-a, ha-har hagadol leyad hayam". (And walked-he to-the-mountain, the-mountain the-big beside the sea.--- And he walked to the mountain, the big mountain beside the sea.)
It would use the post-modifier to make the mountain into the proper case, but it would then clarify what the mountain meant in a separate phrase that isn't really embedded. The case system is mucking up the embedding.
Nobody uses "mountain-ward" in modern Hebrew, except for some idiomatic phrases, like "halachti ha-baita" (I walked home-ward). The case modifier is replaced with what is essentially a stand-alone function word "le" or "la" (meaning "to" or "to the").
Why do you prefer the pre-modifier rather than the post-modifier? I strongly believe that the reason is that if you are doing Chomskian transformations which move phrases to different roles, you want to be able to move the whole phrase somewhere else as a unit, without mucking around inside to remove stupid dangling case-modifiers. So you prefer the function word "le" or "la", which functions exactly the same as the English "to". It comes at the beginning, and you just lop it off to make a stand-alone phrase that can be moved to another position in a different sentence.
To make the example clear, I will pretend that English can do the same thing. Suppose that English was able to say "I walked mountain-ward", using a modifier "ward" on words that tells you that you are walking to the mountain. Then you could say
"I walked mountain-ward with the statues of presidents carved into it"
or you could say
"I walked to a mountain with the statues of presidents carved into it"
The first form has a stupid case modifier in the middle of the clause that needs to be excised if you want to do a transformation. For example, if you want to say
"The mountain with the statues of presidents carved into it is pretty"
You would need to change mountain-ward into mountain, which requires mucking around inside the clause. This is much more intuitive when the function stuff occurs before the word, as a pre-modifier, rather than after the word, as a post-modifier.
So languages that deal with embedding on a regular basis like to have the syllable signifying "to" before the word, not after. In this position, it can drop off and become a separate word without any difficulty, and after this happens, you would say that the case has been lost, and a function word is gained.
In hebrew "le" is not a separate word in writing, but it might as well be, considering how it is used. It has the same exact function as the "to" in English, but it took over the "a" (-ward, as in homeward) post-modifier so much, that it is jarring to read the Bible and read "Lech Shchema ve-tagur sham." (Go Shchem-ward and live there). It seems obvious to me, considering how fast this happened (in the last 100 years) that the reason is that recursive clause embedding is common in modern Hebrew, and essentially nonexistent in Biblical hebrew.
The possessive 's of English is perhaps another reasonable example, but it is strange, in that you can apply it to clauses. I don't care about this weird exception. It seems that the rule is that when you have embedding, you prefer modifiers to happen at the beginning, and then they might as well drop off and become stand-alone function words.
This phenomenon of replacing post-modifiers or word-modifiers for case with a universal function word should happen to languages as they acquire recursive clause embedding. I want to know if this is true elsewhere than Hebrew.
EDIT: Explaining this in English
I will make up a case system for English, by replacing function words, so as to not have to write Latin examples.
verb modifiers will be as follows:
I walked to the store : I walked the-store-ward
I walked from the store : I walked the-store-from-ly
I walked on the beach : I walked the-beach-on-ly
I walked with my friend: I walked friend-of-mine-with-ly
etc., using the function word plus "ly" as the case word for a verb-attaching adjective-like (or argument like) phrase, except for "to-ly" which is "ward".
My bag withthis requires inserting a zipper: Bag-of-mine zipper-with-ish
My coat onsyllable in the desk : Coat-of-minemiddle of the-desk noun-onphrase "wide-ish
etcopen field where John slaughtered the goat"., using "ish" and If you want to move the function word asnoun-phrase to the case marking for a adjective phrase
Then takingsubject position of a different sentence with embedding, you need to scan the interior of the noun-phrase to remove the case-modifier:
- I walked to the store by the sea
- I walked the-store-toThe wide-lyopen field where John slaughtered the-sea-by-ish goat is pretty.
The second expressionIf you have a stand-alone preposition, no scan is easy to permute:required
- I walked to the-sea-by-ish wide open field where John slaughtered the-store-to-ly goat
Butthe words past "to" are exactly the same as when doingthe noun-phrase is in the subject role. If the preposition can appear at the beginning of the phrase, it gives a transformationclear "push" indicator for a mechanical parser, like askingand it allows for trivial transformation of phrases to different roles.
- Is the-store by the sea green?
I walked to the wide open sheep grazing field-ward where John slaughtered the goat.
- Is the-store the-sea-by-ish green?
I walked from the wide open sheep grazing field where John slaughtered the goat to the store.
I walked the wide open sheep grazing field-from where John slaughtered the goat store-ward.
I have to take the phrase "the store-to-ly theThe case-seaintroducing/case-byremoving noun-ish"phrase scan is really annoying. It is computationally taxing, and transformI believe that it by scanningcreates a linguistic pressure to remove the "to-ly"cases from the store. In the phrase "the store-to-ly the-sea-by-ish", "the store" is the leading nouna language, and it gets the case markerreplace these with prepositions.
the This doesn't look too hard in this exampleWhen there are no cases, but if the leadingyou have effortless noun is buried deep in-phrase embedding--- you just change the noun phrasepreposition, it becomes more difficult:which always appears at the beginning.
- I walked (sea-by-ish, which is next Greece-to-ish, store-to-ly which the Italy-of-ish health-department closed in Lord-of-ours-of-ish the-year 1999).
- I walked (to the store by the sea which is next to Greece, which the Italian health department closed in the year of our Lord 1999).
I personally witnessed a case-shedding event, in modern Hebrew. In the Bible, you would always say "Halachti le-beyto", "I went to-his-house" to mean "I went to his house", using a possessive marker on the word "bayit" (house). But modern Hebrew speaker will always say "Halachti la-bayit shelo", "I went to the house of him", precisely because the word "shel" can be used to embed, as in "Halachti la-bayit shel ha-ach hagadol sheli" "I went to the house of my big brother".
I enclosed the relevant phrase in parentheses in both examplesBiblical Hebrew has a "to" case, so that it says "I walked Schem-ward" (the intended parsing is"Halachti Schem-a"). Modern Hebrew, despite prescriptivist admonitions, dropped this case entirely, so that all modern speakers use the sea is nextrecursion friendly: "I walked to Greece, not the storeshchem" ("Halachti le-Schem"). From my own native speaker intuition, and italicizedI know that this is a consequence of the cased leading noun, whichubiquitous embedding in modern Hebrew. You don't say "I walked city-ward by the examplesea" in modern Hebrew, it is "store-to-ly"ungrammatical. you say "I walked to the city by the sea", with the exact same form as in English.
NowThe Bible doesn't embed very much, and if I want to transform the phrase "the store by the sea which is nextit wanted to Greece, which the Italian Health department closed in the year of our Lord 1999." into a question about whetherdo this store is still closed, I have to take the phraseit would say it in parentheses, scan inside this phrase past "sea-bya pre-ishliterate recursion unfriendly form "Halachti Schema, which is next Greecezu ha-to'ir le-ish," to find "storeyad ha-toyam"/"I walked city-ly" and then transform that token into "store". The transformed questionward, this is the city by the sea."
- Is the (sea-by-ish, which is next Greece-to-ish, store which the Italy-of-ish health department closed in Lord-of-ours-of-ish the-year 1999) still closed?
So the hypothesis is that recursive languages shed their cases as soon as most speakers begin to produce and transform multiply embedded sentences on a regular basis.
You need to scan the phrase to remove the case markers from the leading noun. In standard English, no scan is ever required for a transformation--- you just move the entire phrase:
Predictions/Questions
This hypothesis makes the following predictions, and these are the questions I have:
- Is (the store by the sea whichCases should be most diverse and pronounced in non-embedding languages, like Piraha. This is next to Greecetrue of Piraha. Is it true of other non-embedding languages?
- The most cased languages today should have a recent writing system, whichand the Italian health department closed inleast cased languages should have an ancient writing system. For Russian and English, this works. Are there counterexamples?
- Are there opposite events where the yearcase system was strengthened? Do these correspond to a loss of our Lord 1999) still closedliteracy?
Notice that the parenthesized NP is exactly the same as before, just dropping the initial "to the". This makes transformations easy, even with deep embedding, and it is also the definition of what makes a language uncased. So uncased is recursion friendly, and cased is not.
I believe that the desire to make phrases movable without modification during transformations is the driving force for the phenomenon of case-shedding in languages.
The examples above, applying the case-markings to the main noun in the noun phrase, is how it works in Latin.