Timeline for What kind of features support the claim that Slavic languages are closer to Germanic languages than to Indo-Iranian languages?
Current License: CC BY-SA 4.0
14 events
| when toggle format | what | by | license | comment | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Oct 22, 2020 at 15:50 | comment | added | vectory | @jk-ReinstateMonica just browse Kroonens Dictionary for the 'NEUR' label (viz. Northern-European) attached to lemmas that only have comparands in Baltic (maybe Slavic too, IIRC). Although, Kroonen is not a source for the claim in question, and the introduction does not expound on the labels. Maybe I will find examples. | |
| Oct 22, 2020 at 9:23 | comment | added | Sir Cornflakes | @Tristan An answer that illustrates some isoglosses that are insufficient to justify a node but sufficient to support the claim of closeness is an acceptable answer to me. | |
| Oct 22, 2020 at 9:19 | comment | added | Tristan | @vectory I didn't say they had. I was addressing a weakness of my claim that in terms of lexical isoglosses, BS was closest to Germanic. That weakness being that lexical isoglosses are insufficient to conclusively demonstrate the existence of a node | |
| Oct 21, 2020 at 17:14 | comment | added | vectory | @Tristan, "no such intermediate nodes (at a higher level than the usual Balto-Slavic, Indo-Iranian nodes at least) have been reconstructed to a sufficient extent to become consensus", that being said, the question is, how has anyone made such an argument that the linked answer implied. I think "higher level" is confusing; for clarity, one has to imagine trees growing downwards in your view, which is quite the apt metaphor, if you see it as lightning that comes from field-potential, branches eraticly as the wind blows, recombines and discharges into only few ground terminals. | |
| Oct 19, 2020 at 13:16 | comment | added | Sir Cornflakes | @Lucian Those "out-of-India" theories are indeed annoying since they are driven by ideology and not by the scientific method. | |
| Oct 19, 2020 at 3:41 | comment | added | Lucian | One of my best friends is Slavic; he usually employs my help in all things computer-related, including typing. I distinctly remember helping him out once with a thesis on Slavic history; one aspect he personally seems to have found particularly annoying was the fact that (at least) one of the works he employed in composing his gave a rather lengthy explanation as to Slavic languages being allegedly an offshoot of Indo-Aryan ones; as for Germanic ones, I don't recall them even being mentioned there at all; then again, my memory is far from perfect, and one authors' argument is not indisputable. | |
| Oct 16, 2020 at 15:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackLinguist/status/1317118119756898304 | ||
| Oct 15, 2020 at 15:52 | comment | added | Tristan | obviously that's still not enough to establish a node conclusively (for which you'd need to do the proper comparative work of reconstructing the proto-form for that node's descendants), but afaik, with the possible exception of late-PIE (after Anatolian and maybe Tocharian split off), no such intermediate nodes (at a higher level than the usual Balto-Slavic, Indo-Iranian nodes at least) have been reconstructed to a sufficient extent to become consensus | |
| Oct 15, 2020 at 15:35 | comment | added | Tristan | agreed. I was talking primarily about shared lexical isoglosses in the inherited vocabulary | |
| Oct 15, 2020 at 15:26 | comment | added | fdb | @Tristan: Lexical "closeness" does not necessarily imply subgrouping. Their are lots of Germanic loan words in most Slavic languages. | |
| Oct 15, 2020 at 9:15 | comment | added | Tristan | lexical considerations tend to put BS as closer to Germanic than anything else IIRC | |
| Oct 14, 2020 at 22:45 | comment | added | Janus Bahs Jacquet | Excellent question. Balto-Slavic has never been my cup of tea, but even so, the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is the shared -m- (rather than -bh-) in the oblique dual/plural cases. I’m sure there are others, but they’re not coming to me at this hour… | |
| Oct 14, 2020 at 21:38 | history | edited | jlawler | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
added 3 characters in body
|
| Oct 14, 2020 at 21:34 | history | asked | Sir Cornflakes | CC BY-SA 4.0 |